Morrison´s talents.

Post by **nephron** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:13 pm

Mozart got lucky because he happened to have a father that prostituted his ass out to anyone and everyone that would listen to him. His talent took him from there. Tiger Woods lucked out because his father developed his talents, above and beyond the other thousands of people that have the same capable talent that have never seen a golf course.

And there are many others that have 'lucked out' that have NO frickin' talent. I have very LITTLE knowledge of rock 'n roll, but I'd say 'Kid Rock' is an example of some bullshit cocksucker that should be cleaning gutters.

Post by **J.B.Marx** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:54 am

Now man, get your hands of Kid Rock! He's fantastic!

Post by **nephron** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:44 pm

He's as fantastic as whale shit.

EDIT: I'm sorry, but as far as rock is concerned, nothing hits the ears and heart like the Doors. I grew up playing French Horn in big bands. Maybe it's the classical aspect? Maybe not. I've just never heard anything like these guys. Unreal.

Post by **J.B.Marx** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:38 pm

Haha, well you got it right concerning the Doors.

About Kid Rock: personally I just like his no-nonsense aproach. He's straight forward. If you know what I mean. And ofcourse, he's from the 'D'!

You can like or dislike any music you want. I like so many kinds. Yes, also classical. But it ain't always necessary to have several 'intelectual' layers. Sometimes just cool grooving music is all that it takes. Not always. Sometimes. Do you always want love when you see a girl? Or is it just a pure feeling of lust (sometimes)?

Post by **Hamlet** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:00 pm

- please, Marx and nephron!

Would you be so kind and take this to kindergarten, where the grown-ups are paid to guide you.

Post by **jim4371** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:37 pm

Shaadup, Hamlet, you didn't even understand the original supposition.

Post by **nephron** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:32 pm

Hamlet, I post here because I know that you will guide me. Alas, there is no reason to post elsewhere. I consider myself 'blessed' to be patronized by an organism with less cortical matter than a frog.

Post by **J.B.Marx** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:59 am

Hamlet wrote:- please, Marx and nephron!

Would you be so kind and take this to kindergarten, where the grown-ups are paid to guide you.

That depands of the price. How much do you charge Hamlet?

Post by **sullen and aborted** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:19 pm

What if Rick and the Ravens had accepted Jim Morrison as a musical contributor to their line up as Ray had suggested. ? Then there would have been no John Densmore, No Robby Kreiger,no Light My Fire, no recordings on elektra , no paul rothchild or bruce botnick involvement, no big concerts,...

Post by **Hamlet** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:42 am

Rick and The Ravens are great musicians, based on what´I heard.

But they couldn´t see Morrison´s talents. They had no talent to judge that.

Elektra didn´t sign The Doors based on LMF.

Remember that Krieger writes LMF based on Morrison´s suggestions: Earth, air, fire and water.

It´s like you are being invited to a party with a dresscode, and Morrison throws the party.

Post by **nephron** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:13 pm

great musicians

had no talent to judge that

Post by **Hamlet** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:31 am

nephron wrote:
great musicians

had no talent to judge that

This is exactly a demonstration of an untalented mind!

- You could be a great speller, but not be able to write a novel.

- You could be a great musician, and not be able to write a song.

Post by **nephron** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:27 pm

Exactly. These are your words. I TOTALLY agree.

I also look forward to your talent-laden first album, hopefully due soon to 'stores near' me soon.

Post by **Hamlet** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:08 am

Yes, my words, you think they are contradictory.

That´s why you are untalented!

You can be a great musician, thousands of which are found in symphonic orchestras, and yet not be capable of writing a tune.

So you can be a great musician and not be able to judge talent,, when you see and hear it.

Post by **nephron** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:37 pm

From what I understand, Jim wasn't too 'good' in the days of Rick and the Ravens---facing the stage, stark voice (which he apparently developed later), etc.

Post by **nephron** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:58 pm

Hey, man! I got it!

I found your website. I should have known. Pay specific attention to the picture in the right upper quadrant, and also his gloating statements about his 'talent of finding talent'. Wow.

Screw Newton, Pascal, Beethoven, Einstein, Gallileo, DeVinci, etc. They have nothing on this guy---with his ability to identify talent like Cher, etc. Yes, I've always said that a party-crashing celebrity-sucking-sycophant fuckhead talent pimp was absolutely indispensible by comparison.

http://www.johnkalodner.com/

Post by **Hamlet** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:36 pm

nephron wrote:From what I understand, Jim wasn't too 'good' in the days of Rick and the Ravens---facing the stage, stark voice (which he apparently developed later), etc.

-yes, from what you understand.

lol

Post by **J.B.Marx** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:31 pm

nephron wrote:Hey, man! I got it!

I found your website. I should have known. Pay specific attention to the picture in the right upper quadrant, and also his gloating statements about his 'talent of finding talent'. Wow.

Screw Newton, Pascal, Beethoven, Einstein, Gallileo, DeVinci, etc. They have nothing on this guy---with his ability to identify talent like Cher, etc. Yes, I've always said that a party-crashing celebrity-sucking-sycophant fuckhead talent pimp was absolutely indispensible by comparison.

http://www.johnkalodner.com/

What has this website to do with what we are discussing here?

Yes, Jim became a better performer after the Ravens, but maybe that has something to do with time. I believe in the early days of the Doors, Jim did the same thing. Very shy while on stage. Time is the essence here.

Post by **nephron** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:21 pm

What has this website to do with what we are discussing?

He (or she) was implying that a talented musician cannot necessarily identify another one. My feeling is that it takes some degree of musical capability to appreciate the same.

My dad thought Army food was great.
He can't cook.

Myself? I can cook. I would prefer French-California quisine over Army food.

Post by **jim4371** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:22 pm

Man does this thread blow..

Post by **vince** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:49 am

At first, Jim did not want to face the audience. He turned away, sometimes with his back to

When he became more used to performing he would close his eyes. You cen see in many photos that Jim had his eyes shut.

I don't know about the voice development. By the time he was performing in 1967 he was doing just fine.

He was untrained in the formal sense. But evidently there was a lot of singing in his background. Not doubt that contributed to the quality and control of the early voice.

Post by **jim4371** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:20 am

Did you ever have the opportunity to hear the 1965 demos, Vince?

Post by **vince** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:10 am

No- I did jnot hear them. The singles hadtaken over and then the albums. If there were demos around they had been put away before I got with the group.

Post by **jim4371** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:10 am

They're pretty much a completely different band, the chord structure is much simpler (particulary the guitar since it was before Robby joined), and if you weren't told Jim was singing you wouldn't know.
His vocals are relatively high and of limited range, clearly a massive change occurred between then and mid-1966.

Post by **vince** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:38 am

That is very interesting. When I heard the first album, Jim had that nice silky voice with the subtle vibrato. It must have been quite a change.

Robby was a flemenco player and used his fingers, as any classical guitar player would normally do. That is what enabled him to do the interesting passages. I noticed in a recent photo that he had a pick and had retreated to the less educated style of playing guitar. I was a little surprised to see him with a pick.

Post by **jim4371** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:19 am

He still plays some songs with his fingers.

Post by **J.B.Marx** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:40 am

I wonder if Jim still sang the same when they were playing the Whisky before they got their contract, as he is doing on the demo recordings. It could be that Paul Rothchild has something to do with it?

I read that Arthur Lee of Love said that Jim stole his complete act (& girl & fame), & that inculdes singing with his eyes close... So was Jim shy on stage or was he a 'copycat'?

Post by **Hamlet** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:37 am

nephron wrote:
What has this website to do with what we are discussing?
He (or she) was implying that a talented musician cannot necessarily identify another one. My feeling is that it takes some degree of musical capability to appreciate the same.

My dad thought Army food was great.
He can't cook.

Myself? I can cook. I would prefer French-California quisine over Army food.

it´s clearly, you are in way over your head!

- stick to your own stupid threads on how Krieger looks.

Post by **nephron** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:03 pm

His vocals are relatively high and of limited range, clearly a massive change occurred between then and mid-1966.

...hmmmm. Looks like it's now Jim4371 and myself who now understand

There may have actually been a reason that the Fog was empty night after night. Maturation, by definition, simply implies some sort of intercalation of time. Then again, there's slow maturation in the case of people with IQ's of 50 or less (xxxxxx), then there's...

Post by **Hamlet** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:29 pm

lol, idiot!

That´s the talent! Maturing as a singer in a year.

And indeed the fact that his songs are simply unique.- Of their own!

Densmore is very specific about this in his book. He saw Morrison´s talents.

Morrison and The Doors make their own path! Creates a new kind of music. No one else plays like them or writes songs like Morrison. So it takes a time to build a momentum.

Anyone in the arts knows this.

I´ve asked you to step out of this thread. Do it now and stick to your cool thread on how Krieger looks. The dumbest topic.

Morrison´s talents.

Here is another what if?

Being Shy

Demos

Pre Band