How about an 'Other Voices era Doors concert release on BMR?

Post by **StrangeNightOfStone** » Wed May 07, 2008 2:47 pm

On LL, i suggested to Jeff if and when the Doors release Other Voices and Full Circle, they should release them in one boxset, along with footage of the Doors on the Beat Club in Bremen, and/or other tv spots from 71' and 72'. On the Dick Cavett show perhaps? Jeff seemed neither interested nor disinterested-This does bring to mind one thing-Would you like to see the release of any Doors show from 71-72 on BMR?

Of couse I would not want to see any of the Ian Astbury era performances as BMR releases- as without Jim and John, they were a different entity than the Doors, talented though they may be..I have caught more flack form other fans who blasted me because I didn't think the 'Doors of the 21st century' or 'Riders On The storm' were in fact the Doors....

I think the transformation is analgous to what Jefferson Airplane went throug-
They started off as Great Soociety, then became Jefferson Airplane, then Jefferson Starship, then Starship. Starship was not Jefferson Airplane- It had some of the same members, but it had changed. Ditto with Riders on The storm-they are not the Doors...
But that's neither here nor there....

On BMR, how about a show from the Other Voices tour?

There are times it seems the Doors are trying to purge all memory of the Other Voices/Full Cicle period from public conciousness.

Post by **wha happened** » Wed May 07, 2008 9:03 pm

I think sometimes Jeff just tells us things we want to hear just to shut us up for another 6 months. Jeff's assistant, Cory, kept telling us when we met him that that era isn't the Doors. If that's his view, Jeff's shouldn't be much different.

Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:11 am

They should have released OV/FC on Cd back in 1995 when they released An American Prayer on Cd for the 1st time. Here we are 13 years later and still no official OV/FC Cd. It's obvious that they just don't care enough about it to release it.

Post by **The Royal Sperm** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:17 am

LetsMoveGrooveRAMPAGE wrote:They should have released OV/FC on Cd back in 1995 when they released An American Prayer on Cd for the 1st time. Here we are 13 years later and still no official OV/FC Cd. It's obvious that they just don't care enough about it to release it.

jeff told that they are working on that releases ... and i believe him

just kidding

Post by **hardrockcafe** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:33 am

What's interesting is if the recent lawsuit over the use of the name "The Doors" would have any impact on how Other Voices and Full Circle would be marketed.

Can these be reissued as "The Doors" in the aftermath of the Densmore band name lawsuit, as Morrison was no longer part of the band?

I would like to hear this material. Have they found the masters? I think Tightrope Ride was a needle drop on the infamous 1997 box set.

Post by **wha happened** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:34 am

About 4 years ago, sitting in Jeff's office, myself and "John Ryder" from this board had a friendly debate with Jeff's assistant Cory whether or not OV & FS should get an official release, and be included in the discography. He insisted, it wasn't the Doors, they shouldn't be recognized. At the same time, Jeff's mouthpiece, Dave would go on and on how D21c/Riders on The Storm WAS the Doors...wha? His posts were sickening and laughable. It was the direct opposite of what the thinking was behind closed doors. I'm still waiting for their album that Dave said was coming out since 2004. "I just got off the phone with Ray.." Remember those posts? [/rant]
They seemed to have changed their mind regarding OV/FS after so many fans asked about them. Last we heard, they don't have the masters for those albums. "John Ryder" got them an OV 2 track mix down that Jack Conrad had. That was turned over to Bruce.

Post by **John Ryder** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:43 am

"Hey Wha Happened!!!"

wha happened wrote:About 4 years ago, sitting in Jeff's office, myself and "John Ryder" from this board had a friendly debate with Jeff's assistant Cory whether or not OV & FS should get an official release, and be included in the discography. He insisted, it wasn't the Doors, they shouldn't be recognized. At the same time, Jeff's mouthpiece, Dave would go on and on how D21c/Riders on The Storm WAS the Doors...wha? His posts were sickening and laughable. It was the direct opposite of what the thinking was behind closed doors. I'm still waiting for their album that Dave said was coming out since 2004. "I just got off the phone with Ray.." Remember those posts? [/rant]
They seemed to have changed their mind regarding OV/FS after so many fans asked about them. Last we heard, they don't have the masters for those albums. "John Ryder" got them an OV 2 track mix down that Jack Conrad had. That was turned over to Bruce.

Post by **dj_vera** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:54 am

So unless they have actually found the masters, we can expect them to just use the 2-track mix down for OV and either a vinyl or probably a Russian bootleg source for FC.

Post by **hardrockcafe** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:49 pm

how did they lose the multitracks of the masters?

even with all the tapes elektra threw out in the 70s, the doors kept the multis of the master takes of the original six studio albums, per perception.

Post by **dj_vera** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:47 pm

hardrockcafe wrote:how did they lose the multitracks of the masters?

even with all the tapes elektra through out in the 70s, the doors kept the multis of the master takes of the original six studio albums, per perception.

Yeah thank God they held on to those at least! Well that's what they have been saying for a while that they don't have the masters for OV/FC. But they have some post-Morrison concerts and the masters to Ray's solo projects. But who knows maybe they have found them.

Post by **wha happened** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:00 pm

We don't know for sure if they still have any post-Jim concerts. Vince said Bruce recorded all/most of the OV tour. The info about the OV & FC masters is a few years old, so MAYBE they did find them while transferring everything to digital recently. Shortly after Jeff took over they did take photos of every tape in the archive and catalog them. Most of the photos I saw were of masters/mix down tapes from Ray's solo period.

Post by **anytimecowboy** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:19 pm

cool, what else did you see?

Post by **hardrockcafe** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:56 pm

I tracked these albums down and took a listen.

Ships W' Sails is a standout. Great groove and arrangement. Ray's singing is not as cringeworthy as I expected it to be.

It's remarkable how much Robby's voice sounds like Bob Dylan in the intro to the Mosquito.

This material is not all that bad. There are some interesting things here.

I'm guessing the band feels these albums subvert their Morrison legacy so they have kept them out of print--or perhaps they are embarrassed by them.

I'm actually liking some of this stuff....

Post by **Silver Forest** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:20 am

hardrockcafe wrote:I tracked these albums down and took a listen.

Ships W' Sails is a standout. Great groove and arrangement. Ray's singing is not as cringeworthy as I expected it to be.

It's remarkable how much Robby's voice sounds like Bob Dylan in the intro to the Mosquito.

This material is not all that bad. There are some interesting things here.

I'm guessing the band feels these albums subvert their Morrison legacy so they have kept them out of print--or perhaps they are embarrassed by them.

I'm actually liking some of this stuff....

Me too.

As I stated before I consider Ship with Sails the last great Doors song. This song by itself justifies a CD edition.

Also and it might sound strange to you but I think OV is the last Doors album. There's no Jim but the band seems to have connections with his recent past.

Not to be offensive but for me FC was vinyl waste.

Post by **The Royal Sperm** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:50 am

FC isn't bad at all, the mosquito is instrumentaly good, verdilac sounds good without the lyrics too

Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:56 pm

I cringe every time I hear those FULL CIRCLE female background singers. They are referred to in the album credits as THE OTHER VOICES (Clydie King, Venetta Fields, & Melissa Mackay). They sing well, but they stick out like a sore thumb. They are the furthest thing from THE DOORS as you can get.

Post by **StrangeNightOfStone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:16 am

LetsMoveGrooveRAMPAGE wrote:I cringe every time I hear those FULL CIRCLE female background singers. They are referred to in the album credits as THE OTHER VOICES (Clydie King, Venetta Fields, & Melissa Mackay). They sing well, but they stick out like a sore thumb. They are the furthest thing from THE DOORS as you can get.

I have to wonder what direction they would have gone had they put out additional albums in the same vein as Full Circle. Could the Doors have gone disco?

Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:04 pm

At the beginning of Good Rockin' from FC you can hear "take 3 Rockin". It makes me wonder if takes 1 & 2 are in their vault missing mislabeled somewhere.

Post by **DalloLama** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:35 am

What are people's favourite shows from 1971-72? I only have Germany '72 and Central Park '72.

Post by **midnightx** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:52 am

A lot of this stuff is cringe-worthy. Brutal vocals and embarrassing lyrics. The Doors were still clearly talented musicians, but really were lacking direction with these two endeavors. I wouldn't care if the multi-tracks stayed missing....

Post by **grasshopper** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:32 pm

Would you like to see the release of any Doors show from 71-72 on BMR?

Yeah, or at least a compiled live album (like Absolutely Live) in good professional quality, especially from '71.

Post by **Roughie** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:48 am

The fact that they won't release FC/OV on CD (or at least haven't to date) doesn't look good for a concert release. I like Grasshoppers idea.

Post by **lovemygirl** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:43 pm

i would like these releases to happen, and i think they will eventually....its just gonna take some time...i can't wait to hear vinces recordings from there tours without morrison.....

Post by **The Royal Sperm** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:45 pm

maybe a sampler is a good idea, but only to get market and then release all that OV shows at least a limited edition box set with all of them only for collectors

Post by **Silver Forest** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:02 pm

The Royal Sperm wrote:maybe a sampler is a good idea, but only to get market and then release all that OV shows at least a limited edition box set with all of them only for collectors

+1

Post by **lovemygirl** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:34 pm

a limitied boxset would be fantastic and more idealistic for the doors....release both albums, other voices and full circle-remastered with bonus material.... and then a boxset of the tours, recorded by vince....

Post by **midnightx** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:41 pm

lovemygirl wrote:a limitied boxset would be fantastic and more idealistic for the doors....release both albums, other voices and full circle-remastered with bonus material.... and then a boxset of the tours, recorded by vince....

I'm certainly not a fan of this era from the band, but I'm less of a fan of "limited edition" packages. Future generations of fans get screwed when something is limited.

Post by **jdlaw** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:46 pm

I have to give any post-Morrison release the thumbs down.

We all know the Doors are very frugal with their money. Why spend even a penny on such a release when it could be put to MUCH better use? Mainly, tracking down 1967 soundboards, footage, etc. IMO of course.

Post by **StrangeNightOfStone** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:32 am

A good bunus disc could have live performances of the tracks- Beat Club, plus I think there was a filmed gig in the UK...

Post by **StrangeNightOfStone** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:33 am

jdlaw wrote:I have to give any post-Morrison release the thumbs down. We all know the Doors are very frugal with their money. Why spend even a penny on such a release when it could be put to MUCH better use? Mainly, tracking down 1967 soundboards, footage, etc. IMO of course.

I think the boys can walk and chew gum at the same time...