How about an 'Other Voices era Doors concert release on BMR?

Post by **MajorMojo** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:47 pm

A FC/OV era live recording without the singing could actually be kinda cool. I think every night was multitracked.

They'd probably do it for the albums themselves but can only find the stereo masters right now.

Post by **Hugo** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:44 am

For me, the Doors were closed at 12-12-70...

Better bring out some 'with-Jim' concerts.

Post by **JerryGarcia** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:28 am

I'm a huge fan of the post Morrison Doors material. I don't know why some people don't like it but I think songs like Ships With Sails, Piano Bird and Verdilac are up there with anything they ever recorded. I was delighted when the Golden Scarab was released on CD a few years back and if there was a box set with Full Circle, Other Voices and a few rarities/photos then I'd be first in line to buy it.

Post by **_Devoid_** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:34 pm

Hugo wrote:For me, the Doors were closed at 12-12-70...

Better bring out some 'with-Jim' concerts.

I completely agree with you sir

Post by **JerryGarcia** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:59 pm

It wouldn't be hard to put together a package of OV/FC as well as working on other projects at the same time. The average Doors fan doesn't even know of the existance of these albums so I'm pretty sure it would be a nice surprise for many.

I know there are a lot of Jim Morrison fans who don't like the other material but it's a part of the history of the Doors and deserves to at least be recognised as such.

Post by **jdlaw** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:12 am

JerryGarcia wrote:It wouldn't be hard to put together a package of OV/FC as well as working on other projects at the same time. The average Doors fan doesn't even know of the existance of these albums so I'm pretty sure it would be a nice surprise for many.

I know there are a lot of Jim Morrison fans who don't like the other material but it's a part of the history of the Doors and deserves to at least be recognised as such.

Well, as long as it didn't have a negative effect on any potential release with Jim, then I wouldn't mind. However, say for example the Matrix set gets postponed so they can put out OV/FC, that would piss me off.

Post by **Roughie** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:22 am

Ray mentions FC/OV... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWsTGDIe98o&NR=1

Post by **desertlizard** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:30 am

well as much as i want these two albums to be released, i don't think that could ever happen in a short period of time, Ray as we known has a big mouth,

tnx for posting Roughie

Post by **The Freedom Man** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:37 am

Plus John Densmore will probably do anything
in his power to stop a release. Cause like he always says, only the 4 of us are The Doors!

Post by **Roughie** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:46 pm

yeah, I doubt we'll see a release soon.

As well as Ray talking about it (and boy you're right, he loves to talk), Robby has said he is proud of those albums. As for John? TheFreed is probably right. Plus if Ray wants something John might be inclined to say no lol!

Whilst the albums may not be to the standard of the JM era, the musicianship is still all class (even if the lyrics often aren't) and there are some great tracks on there. Tightrope Ride, Ships with Sails, The Mosquito (which is the only track off these albums to be released on CD - on one of many best ofs) Get Up and Dance, are probably the pick of the litter. I could go on and review the albums but that's not what this thread is for.

I like these albums and feel they should be released. I also like the idea of them being released with a post JM concert. Rays idea of remixing them is interesting... but not sure if that's needed. Hell, release them once then only available on itunes!

After saying all of that I will now kinda contradict myself and say I would prefer a JM era release. I would love another kind of essential rarities album with studio outtakes, unreleased studio versions of songs we only have live versions of currently and maybe some spoken poetry by Jim.

Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:56 am

Ray's thinking about getting various singers to make new mixes out of the OV/FC material? His idea sounds like a sequel to STONED IMMACULATE.

Post by **MistyJm** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:12 pm

_Devoid_ wrote:
Hugo wrote:For me, the Doors were closed at 12-12-70...

Better bring out some 'with-Jim' concerts.
I completely agree with you sir

Very much agreed.

Ed makes a great point too. What if John will try to block a release?

Post by **lovemygirl** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:25 pm

an official realese of "other voices" and "full circle" won't be stoped by john d., unless the others try to change the masters....this is something in the works for some time i think...

Post by **Roughie** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:27 pm

lovemygirl wrote:an official realese of "other voices" and "full circle" won't be stoped by john d., unless the others try to change the masters....this is something in the works for some time i think...

A very long time! lol

Post by **The Royal Sperm** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:34 am

well, fuck jeff jampol!

Post by **desertlizard** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:43 am

The Royal Sperm wrote:well, fuck jeff jampol!

Post by **MistyJm** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:58 am

lovemygirl wrote:an official realese of "other voices" and "full circle" won't be stoped by john d., unless the others try to change the masters....this is something in the works for some time i think...

The "relationship" between Ray and Robby and John seems to be at an even more ultimate low then I thought. With John's book coming out etc.
If the two albums will get an official release, it problaby will take an even longer time then it allready does maybe.

Post by **dj_vera** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:36 am

I don't think Densmore has spoken out against the release of OV and FC. His quarrels are more with Ray and Robby touring.

Post by **desertlizard** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:37 am

i agree i think Densmore wouldnt mind

Post by **Roughie** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:11 pm

In this artilcle, Robby says that they will be released by the end of the year. http://www.goldminemag.com/article/the- ... solo-album

Post by **Mouseofzen** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:32 am

Roughie wrote:In this artilcle, Robby says that they will be released by the end of the year. http://www.goldminemag.com/article/the- ... solo-album

Just a few days left for these albums out this year lol

Post by **Roughie** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:01 am

Mouseofzen wrote:
Roughie wrote:In this artilcle, Robby says that they will be released by the end of the year. http://www.goldminemag.com/article/the- ... solo-album
Just a few days left for these albums out this year lol

Yes well we all knew it was BS!

Post by **Encuentro** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:19 am

They aren't worth releasing offficially anyway. They're not going to release them, because they aren't marketable. Even many of the hardcore fans aren't interested in owning them. If some hardcore fans aren't interested in owning them, how can they expect the casual, a large percentage of their market, to be interested? It's a business. They want to release albums that will be profitable. Those albums are not profitable, not by a long shot. They would lose money releasing those albums. They never should have released those albums as The Doors anyway. As Ray said, they should have called themselves Manzarek, Krieger and Densmore.

Post by **desertlizard** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:45 am

Encuentro wrote:They aren't worth releasing offficially anyway. They're not going to release them, because they aren't marketable. Even many of the hardcore fans aren't interested in owning them. If some hardcore fans aren't interested in owning them, how can they expect the casual, a large percentage of their market, to be interested? It's a business. They want to release albums that will be profitable. Those albums are not profitable, not by a long shot. They would lose money releasing those albums. They never should have released those albums as The Doors anyway. As Ray said, they should have called themselves Manzarek, Krieger and Densmore.

i ve heard many of the guys here would like to have those albums, i for one would LOVE to have those...

Post by **Roughie** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:49 am

Well I'd get them.

Post by **Encuentro** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:02 am

desertlizard wrote:
Encuentro wrote:They aren't worth releasing offficially anyway. They're not going to release them, because they aren't marketable. Even many of the hardcore fans aren't interested in owning them. If some hardcore fans aren't interested in owning them, how can they expect the casual, a large percentage of their market, to be interested? It's a business. They want to release albums that will be profitable. Those albums are not profitable, not by a long shot. They would lose money releasing those albums. They never should have released those albums as The Doors anyway. As Ray said, they should have called themselves Manzarek, Krieger and Densmore.
i ve heard many of the guys here would like to have those albums, i for one would LOVE to have those...

When I said many, I didn't mean all. I know that many hardcore fans would like to have them. However, the fact that even some hardcore fans aren't interested in owning them, at least not before The Doors do everything within their power to acquire and release as many Morrison-era shows and outtakes as possible, doesn't speak highly of OV and FC. I own them on 1 CD, the Russian import version. OV is OK, but FC is horrible. They are available, just not officially. The fact that these 2 albums have not been officially released on CD speaks volumes on how The Doors themselves feel about them, at least from a marketing standpoint. They barely even acknowledge them. They released The Complete Studio Recordings without OV and FC.

Post by **desertlizard** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:03 am

ya i know they are available out there, but not officialy as you said, and we ll never get to see them officialy released unfortunately... shame

Post by **Silver Forest** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:53 am

Cool down people. Just wait for the official downloads...

Post by **midnightx** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:04 am

I got rid of my vinyl copies years ago. If I'm ever in the mood for a cringe-worthy laugh, I can always go to youtube and stream the tracks. Can't imagine I would ever obtain them again, whether it be a physical copy or through official download.

Post by **MajorMojo** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:21 pm

I'd be interested in hearing a single cd of instrumental versions of songs from those 2 albums. Strip the singing.

If the studio multitracks don't show up, use vintage live multitracks. I think I remember reading they have every live show as a trio recorded(multi'd?). Might have been a Vince quote form this forum.