How about an 'Other Voices era Doors concert release on BMR?

Post by **mystery_train67** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:15 pm

midnightx wrote:I got rid of my vinyl copies years ago. If I'm ever in the mood for a cringe-worthy laugh, I can always go to youtube and stream the tracks. Can't imagine I would ever obtain them again, whether it be a physical copy or through official download.

Wandering Musician, and Peking King... yes these songs are awful, and actually pretty embarrassing. But Piano Bird, and Ships with Sails. Those songs are good.

Densmore wrote Piano Bird with Jack Conrad? Pretty cool.

Post by **Roughie** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:26 pm

mystery_train67 wrote:
midnightx wrote:I got rid of my vinyl copies years ago. If I'm ever in the mood for a cringe-worthy laugh, I can always go to youtube and stream the tracks. Can't imagine I would ever obtain them again, whether it be a physical copy or through official download.
Wandering Musician, and Peking King... yes these songs are awful, and actually pretty embarrassing. But Piano Bird, and Ships with Sails. Those songs are good.

Densmore wrote Piano Bird with Jack Conrad? Pretty cool.

Tightrope Ride is killer, as is the Mosquito (after the intro)

Post by **mystery_train67** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:28 pm

Roughie wrote:
mystery_train67 wrote:
midnightx wrote:I got rid of my vinyl copies years ago. If I'm ever in the mood for a cringe-worthy laugh, I can always go to youtube and stream the tracks. Can't imagine I would ever obtain them again, whether it be a physical copy or through official download.
Wandering Musician, and Peking King... yes these songs are awful, and actually pretty embarrassing. But Piano Bird, and Ships with Sails. Those songs are good.

Densmore wrote Piano Bird with Jack Conrad? Pretty cool.
Tightrope Ride is killer, as is the Mosquito (after the intro)

Agreed.

Post by **desertlizard** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:21 am

wandering musician its an excellent track

Post by **nelson8874** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:02 pm

The only track i really like from the two albums is tightrope ride. That one is REALLY a killer. The other ones, well.... Its the seventees.... (in a general point of view, i don´t like the seventees music sound).

Post by **Silver Forest** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:12 pm

This song is a masterpiece!

Post by **Encuentro** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:07 am

Silver Forest wrote:This song is a masterpiece!

That's a cool picture. Did you put that together?

Did Ray write the lyrics? If so, he did a good job considering that he had never written any lyrics for the Morrison-era songs. I wonder if they rehearsed the music for this song with Jim.

Post by **Silver Forest** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:50 pm

Thanks. I enjoy to do it.
I don't know if Ray wrote "Ships with Sails". I think I read that Ray wrote "Tightrope ride", expressing his anger/dissapointment about Jim. It makes sense he wrote it (at least in collaboration with Robby) because although Robby wrote some great songs from '66 to '71, I don't see him writing "Tightrope ride" or particularly "In the eye of the sun"

. So, most likely Ray started to wrote lyrics in this time period.
For me, these three songs are the best ones from the post Morrison period. "Ships with Sails" is a personal favourite and I have no doubts, if I had to choose, say the 20 Doors songs to take to an isolated island, "Ships with Sails" would be included it. It's a masterpiece, a captivating melody. It's not perfect because Jim's voice is not there, but everything in the song calls for Jim's memory. This was the song that convinced me that if those 3 guys had the luck to find another great singer, they probably would had continue to play as a band (although not as The Doors) for a lot more years.
I have this opinion the "Other Voices" is still a Doors album. It's a nice work, lacking Jim's genious. "Full Circle" is vinyl thrash.

I never heard about Jim singing an early version of "Ships with Sails". I heard about the possibility of him singing early versions of "Down on the far" and "I'm horny I'm stoned", songs already written an the time of the L.A. Woman sessions. Supposedly, Jim didn't like these songs but anyway this is one of the great mysteries and an an attractive possibility thinking in a future L.A. Woman outtakes album.

Post by **midnightx** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:43 pm

I'd prefer to see a reissue of The Butts Band material before these two post-Morrison monstrosities.

Post by **fpicks** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:05 am

midnightx wrote:I'd prefer to see a reissue of The Butts Band material before these two post-Morrison monstrosities.

Now youre talking! Some of Robby's best solos are on those Butts songs.

I love Wont be Alone Anymore

Post by **Roughie** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:14 am

Other Voices credits Manzarek, Kreiger and Densmore as writers of all the songs. But as we know with the Doors, that doesn't mean they all wrote the lyrics.

Post by **Chris M** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:24 am

Silver Forest wrote: I heard about the possibility of him singing early versions of "Down on the farm" and "I'm horny I'm stoned", songs already written an the time of the L.A. Woman sessions..

Not just written but recorded as well. Owing to Jerry Scheff playing bass on "Down On The Farm", "I'm Horny, I'm Stoned" and "Wandering Musician" we can deduce the basic tracks for those 3 songs were recorded during the LAW sessions proper.

In my opinion it's likely most of the album was in the can before Jim died. Tightrope Ride might be an exception.

Someone should write an article for Mojo or Uncut that covers this strange and under reported period of Doors history.

Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:51 am

i see there's a new boot of OV/FC. I only wish it would be legit, but nope. w/ 3 bonus tracks. There's no way all can be on 1 disc:http://cgi.ebay.com/DOORS-Other-Voices- ... 51985e80d2

Post by **MajorMojo** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:11 am

There are some new 87-90 minute cds now on the market that play on most players except older models.

Post by **mystery_train67** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:20 pm

Piano Bird is a good song. I rate that almost as high as anything they did as The Doors with Morrison. I mean, it's not a very Doorsy Doors song, but it is a damn nice bit of music. It's got a good chill out vibe.

Post by **Roughie** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:21 pm

mystery_train67 wrote:Piano Bird is a good song. I rate that almost as high as anything they did as The Doors with Morrison. I mean, it's not a very Doorsy Doors song, but it is a damn nice bit of music. It's got a good chill out vibe.

That's how I listen to those albums, that it isn't the Doors, when you think of it that way, they sound better. There are still some Doorsy songs on there though.

Also looks like OV/FC will never get released at this current rate of releases. Maybe next decade?

Post by **midnightx** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:38 pm

Chris M wrote:
Silver Forest wrote: I heard about the possibility of him singing early versions of "Down on the farm" and "I'm horny I'm stoned", songs already written an the time of the L.A. Woman sessions..
Not just written but recorded as well. Owing to Jerry Scheff playing bass on "Down On The Farm", "I'm Horny, I'm Stoned" and "Wandering Musician" we can deduce the basic tracks for those 3 songs were recorded during the LAW sessions proper.

In my opinion it's likely most of the album was in the can before Jim died. Tightrope Ride might be an exception.

Someone should write an article for Mojo or Uncut that covers this strange and under reported period of Doors history.

Isn't it possible that Jerry was brought back into a post-Morrison session after LAW? Being that they were happy with his work, it would seem logical that they would give him a call to see if he was available to lay down some additional bass tracks.

Post by **Encuentro** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:10 am

Roughie wrote:
mystery_train67 wrote:Piano Bird is a good song. I rate that almost as high as anything they did as The Doors with Morrison. I mean, it's not a very Doorsy Doors song, but it is a damn nice bit of music. It's got a good chill out vibe.
That's how I listen to those albums, that it isn't the Doors, when you think of it that way, they sound better. There are still some Doorsy songs on there though.

Also looks like OV/FC will never get released at this current rate of releases. Maybe next decade?

With CDs on their way out, it's doubtful that they will ever be officially released on CD. They may be released as a digital download.

Post by **Roughie** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:13 am

Encuentro wrote:
Roughie wrote:
mystery_train67 wrote:Piano Bird is a good song. I rate that almost as high as anything they did as The Doors with Morrison. I mean, it's not a very Doorsy Doors song, but it is a damn nice bit of music. It's got a good chill out vibe.
That's how I listen to those albums, that it isn't the Doors, when you think of it that way, they sound better. There are still some Doorsy songs on there though.

Also looks like OV/FC will never get released at this current rate of releases. Maybe next decade?
With CDs on their way out, it's doubtful that they will ever be officially released on CD. They may be released as a digital download.

I don't think CD's will ever be completely gone, at least not for a long time. Look at vinyl, it's making a bit of a comeback. I think even for downloads it is going to be a long wait for these two albums.

Post by **Encuentro** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:18 am

Roughie wrote:
Encuentro wrote:
Roughie wrote: That's how I listen to those albums, that it isn't the Doors, when you think of it that way, they sound better. There are still some Doorsy songs on there though.

Also looks like OV/FC will never get released at this current rate of releases. Maybe next decade?
With CDs on their way out, it's doubtful that they will ever be officially released on CD. They may be released as a digital download.
I don't think CD's will ever be completely gone, at least not for a long time. Look at vinyl, it's making a bit of a comeback. I think even for downloads it is going to be a long wait for these two albums.

I think you're right, but CDs are beginning to take a backseat to digital downloads just as vinyl took a backseat to CDs.

Post by **Roughie** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:20 am

Encuentro wrote:
Roughie wrote:
Encuentro wrote: With CDs on their way out, it's doubtful that they will ever be officially released on CD. They may be released as a digital download.
I don't think CD's will ever be completely gone, at least not for a long time. Look at vinyl, it's making a bit of a comeback. I think even for downloads it is going to be a long wait for these two albums.
I think you're right, but CDs are beginning to take a backseat to digital downloads just as vinyl took a backseat to CDs.

For sure.

Post by **StrangeNightOfStone** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:40 am

Here is an interesting cd I picked up on Ebay:

Not an 'official' Doors release, but more of a pirated release- something the Doors should release; both post-Jim albums on one disc. They should also release 'Treetrunk', and on the 2nd disc have the Beat Club & other filmed tv performances from '72

Post by **Roughie** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:33 am

I have the russian one that is on Kerrys site.

Post by **StrangeNightOfStone** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:38 am

Roughie wrote:I have the russian one that is on Kerrys site.

I think the above cd is that very one

Post by **Roughie** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:40 am

StrangeNightOfStone wrote:
Roughie wrote:I have the russian one that is on Kerrys site.

I think the above cd is that very one

Different cover. The one seen here...

http://camaradeeco.blogspot.com/2009/04 ... oices.html

Post by **wha happened** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:25 pm

I was told Bruce recorded the entire OV tour. There's a couple decent shows from that tour but sadly The Doors don't seem to recognize that era.

I remember having a conversation at The Doors office with co-manager Cory about the OV and FC albums. He kept saying, "they're not Doors albums".

Post by **StrangeNightOfStone** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:28 pm

wha happened wrote:I was told Bruce recorded the entire OV tour. There's a couple decent shows from that tour but sadly The Doors don't seem to recognize that era.

I remember having a conversation at The Doors office with co-manager Cory about the OV and FC albums. He kept saying, "they're not Doors albums".

Then why was Other Voices and Full Circle and the related tours originally marketed as 'The Doors'? Whether they like it or not, Other Voices and Full Circle (an American Prayer) are all Doors albums

Post by **midnightx** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:49 pm

wha happened wrote:I was told Bruce recorded the entire OV tour. There's a couple decent shows from that tour but sadly The Doors don't seem to recognize that era.

Do you think the band still has those shows in their archives?

Post by **Roughie** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:08 pm

midnightx wrote:
wha happened wrote:I was told Bruce recorded the entire OV tour. There's a couple decent shows from that tour but sadly The Doors don't seem to recognize that era.
Do you think the band still has those shows in their archives?

I bet they do. One day they will "find" them!

Post by **John Ryder** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:55 am

I don't think they do...I heard Ray say one time they didn't have the masters to OV & FC!! Jack Conrad told me he had a emergency 2 track reel to reel of OV and I told him about what Ray said, Jack told me later on he turned it over to Ray & Bruce to be baked and digitized, this was back in 2005 I believe haven't heard anything about them since.

midnightx wrote:
wha happened wrote:I was told Bruce recorded the entire OV tour. There's a couple decent shows from that tour but sadly The Doors don't seem to recognize that era.
Do you think the band still has those shows in their archives?