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Monkees all over the world...

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:43 pm
by jamestkirk
They have a whole new teenage fan base....they belong in the Hall, dammit!

Studio recordings controversy

When the Monkees toured the U.K.in 1967, there was a major controversy over the revelation that the group did not always play all of their own instruments in the studio, although they did play them all while touring (except for the solo segments, which used backing band the Candy Store Prophets). The story made the front pages of several UK and international music papers, with the group derisively dubbed "The Pre-Fab Four". Nevertheless, they were generally welcomed by many British stars, who realized the group included talented musicians and sympathized with their wish to have more creative control over their music, and the Monkees frequently socialized with the likes of The Beatles, the Spencer Davis Group, and The Who.

Many Monkees fans argued that the controversy unfairly targeted the band, while conveniently ignoring the fact that a number of leading British and American groups (including critical favorites such as the Byrds and the Beach Boys) habitually used session players on their recordings, including many of the very same musicians who performed on records by the Monkees. This commonplace practice had previously passed without comment. However, the Beatles had led a wave of groups who provided most of their own instrumentation on their recordings and wrote most of their own songs. The comic book quality of the Monkees' television series (where they mimed song performances out of necessity) brought additional scrutiny of their recorded music. But both supporters and critics of the group agree that the producers and Kirshner had the good taste to use some of the best pop songwriters of the period. Neil Diamond, the Boyce-Hart partnership, Jack Keller, Gerry Goffin and Carole King, Harry Nilsson, Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil, and many other highly regarded writers had songs recorded by the Monkees.



In November 1967, the wave of anti-Monkee sentiment was reaching its peak while the Monkees released their fourth album, Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, & Jones Ltd. In liner notes for the 1995 re-release of this album, Nesmith was quoted as saying that after Headquarters, "The press went into a full-scale war against us, talking about how 'The Monkees are four guys who have no credits, no credibility whatsoever and have been trying to trick us into believing they are a rock band.' Number one, not only was this not the case; the reverse was true. Number two, for the press to report with genuine alarm that the Monkees were not a real rock band was looney tunes! It was one of the great goofball moments of the media, but it stuck."

The Monkees went back into the recording studio, largely separately, and produced a large volume of recordings, material that eventually turned up on several albums.
(wiki)

Great music from HEADQUARTERS....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-W0ZIO- ... re=related

Share your favorite Monkees' songs and videos....and any clips from their great cult classic HEAD!


"HEAD" TRAILER.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNdtqzm-v-w


:)

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:04 pm
by silentseason
The Monkees are so hard to define. Were they a group or a TV show that made records? Was their music legitimate or not worthy? As a rock group I don't think they can hold a candle to Love or the Doors, or any other "serious" group of the day. But as a pop act they were outstanding.

Their records I think hold up quite well regardless of who was responsible for them. They came about during the most explosive and creative era in music and in their own way made a definitive mark. Unfortunately they will never really escape the illegitimate tag that placed, deserved or undeserved, on them back in the 60's.

Their TV series was good, probably deserving more attention than the music. Some of the second season episodes when they really started to imprint some of their individual tastes (scrap the laugh track, bring in individual guest stars such as Zappa) are of definite quality.

Head? Everything you wanted and didn't want all thrown together in one giant suicide leap. Probably their best production. 33 1/3 was depressing and kind of a sad ending.

Add it all up and you get a wonderful multi-media stew; certainly nothing has come close to equaling something of this scope or quality.

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:15 pm
by Roughie
silentseason wrote:The Monkees are so hard to define.
Nope, very easy.

They are awesome. =)

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:58 pm
by jamestkirk
Roughie wrote:
silentseason wrote:The Monkees are so hard to define.
Nope, very easy.

They are awesome. =)
...and quite talented. (well, Mickey had little interest as a drummer...(more in producing and song crafting after Headquarters). After all, the producers decided he LOOKED like a drummer, so he WAS.

But their creative spark was peaked with "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones".

Michael went on to prove his talent and genius many times over the years.
Peter was a Greenwich street musician like Stills before the days of Springfield and Monkees. Davy was a show tunes kind of dancer and singer and was already well known in England.
And they were considered a much more powerful act live...and were well received on-stage.

SALESMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZxsR8DaPnY

Pleasant Valley Sunday
http://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=sUzs5dlLrm0

Papa Nez- great one again...Door Into Sunday...he came into his own here....time to go SOLO, NEZ!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BloxTCK ... re=related

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:22 am
by wha happened
This is what Morrison had to say about the Monkees and the movie Head.

Jim is asked: "in the movie Head, did you see that movie?"

Jim: "I walked out on it."

"you know that's about the best movie that's ever been made..but no one realizes it..I didn't realize it when I saw it...I thought this is a piece of shit"

"The ideas were good, but..the fucking Monkees are very uninteresting, ya know....they're all like little monkeys ya know."

"The only scene I dug was when the guy was in the bar, I mean the uh...the uh...restaurant in the studio." "Ya know, he hits this fat lady, this waitress, smashes her.....he goes 'great scene', and he's going..I dunno if I should have done that, ya know....how's that gonna look and he's walking out in artificial snow...I laughed"

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:03 pm
by jamestkirk
...I know what site I am at...but for me, thoughts from Jim are not the "last word" on any subject.

He could be erratic in what he said at any given time.

But Frank Zappa respected the Monkees, as did the Beatles, The WHO, Spencer Davis Group...and Jack Nicholson was good friends, and sat around with the Monkees in one house or another, smoking some unknown substance :wink: while writing the script for HEAD.

SO you like it or not, we're cool...if you were going to see a spinoff of the TV series, one might be pretty pissed at the anti-establishment and anti-Monkee (as portrayed on TV) theme... but in retrospect, it was a pretty brave AND commercially suicidal effort. Kinda like The Doors thumbing their nose at Ed Sullivan....though the Doors' effort paid off.

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:22 pm
by Roughie
I think the scene Jim describes is the strongest in the film. I like the film and gee those boys had balls to do that!

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:34 pm
by silentseason
Roughie wrote:I think the scene Jim describes is the strongest in the film. I like the film and gee those boys had balls to do that!
They had alot of scenes like that in the movie; Micky and Mike betting on whether someone would jump to their death or not; Mike telling everyone off at a party right after "Long Title" played ("and the same goes for Xmas!"); Micky blowing up a coke machine with a tank; "Ditty Diego"; the list goes on. Really a subversive movie.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:45 pm
by Roughie
silentseason wrote:
Roughie wrote:I think the scene Jim describes is the strongest in the film. I like the film and gee those boys had balls to do that!
They had alot of scenes like that in the movie; Micky and Mike betting on whether someone would jump to their death or not; Mike telling everyone off at a party right after "Long Title" played ("and the same goes for Xmas!"); Micky blowing up a coke machine with a tank; "Ditty Diego"; the list goes on. Really a subversive movie.
Agreed, but I still believe that one to be the strongest of the whole film.

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:12 pm
by jamestkirk
So for some HEAD music....
and clips....

The first ten minutes of the movie....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtjXHUaKQHE

The Zappa cameo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOI-SDYG ... re=related

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:29 am
by Hank Chinaski
jamestkirk wrote:
Roughie wrote:
silentseason wrote:The Monkees are so hard to define.
Nope, very easy.

They are awesome. =)
...and quite talented. (well, Mickey had little interest as a drummer...(more in producing and song crafting after Headquarters). After all, the producers decided he LOOKED like a drummer, so he WAS.

But their creative spark was peaked with "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones".

Michael went on to prove his talent and genius many times over the years.
Peter was a Greenwich street musician like Stills before the days of Springfield and Monkees. Davy was a show tunes kind of dancer and singer and was already well known in England.
And they were considered a much more powerful act live...and were well received on-stage.

SALESMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZxsR8DaPnY

Pleasant Valley Sunday
http://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=sUzs5dlLrm0

Papa Nez- great one again...Door Into Sunday...he came into his own here....time to go SOLO, NEZ!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BloxTCK ... re=related
I would have to agree that "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones" was their best album. I hope some of those songs make it on to the set list of the upcoming tour.