Encuentro wrote:I know it's a matter of personal preference, but for those who have a preference, which do you believe will sound better the 45s or the SACDs?
Tough question. There's fans of both formats that will argue for each. I don't think you could wrong with either, if you're willing to spend the $.
Do you have a better Turn Table or a better SACD player? If you have a really nice turn table but a cheap SACD player, go with the vinyl. (And Vice versa.) I don't own a SACD player (though I'd like one), so the choice was easy for me.
To answer your question, all things being equal it's my opinion that the vinyl will sound slightly better. The difference being that the vinyl is 100% analog, while the SACD's will obviously have to be converted into digital.
Thanks, man. That goes to show you how much I know about SACDs. I didn't even know you needed an SACD player. I thought you could play them in a regular CD player. So, the obvious answer to your question is I have a better turntable. I don't know how nice it is. It's an Audio Technica. http://www.amazon.com/Technica-AT-PL60- ... ord+player
Well, you can play SACD's using a regular CD player. SACD's are dual layer, one side being SACD and the other being CD. I bet the CD side will still sound fantastic, but perhaps not quite as good as the SACD.
That said, keep in mind that sound quality is very subjective. Much of it depends on your hearing, your equipment, your listening room, etc. For example, I've read reviews of the Rolling Stones' 2002 SACD's by people who can't tell the difference between the CD & the SACD side.
Ultimately, I don't think a fan could go wrong with either in regards to killer sound quality. However, considering you have a nice turntable but no SACD player (like myself), I'd have to recommend the vinyl.
Encuentro wrote:Did anybody get the vinyl? If so, how do they sound? Do they live up to the hype?
I ordered the box set, but won't receive it until January, 2013. However, from reviews I've read by those who own individual titles (people on the Steve Hoffman Forum, etc), they definitely live up to the hype.
From what I've read, it's pretty unanimous that these kill the Rhino pressings from a few years back. Also, some people think they equal and in some cases (Strange Days, Soft Parade) surpass the original pressings.
I'm hurting for funds nowadays, so I have to be a little frugal. I simply can't afford these. However, if I do decide to go with one to start, it would probably be Strange Days rather than the debut, because the debut wasn't cut from the original analog master.
I've heard Strange Days and the sound is just awesome, tight, you can hear everything on it.So far the best release on vinyl.Very expensive I have to say, Strange Days was 70 Euro's.
Finally some good news.. I will be looking forward to it. Also I know it is a different animal, but hope someone will transfer it digitally, eventually.
"Because when the crowds finally begin to accept you
you become the suspect of your artistry" Buk
Since these are 45-RPM vs 33&1/3, do you have to adjust any thing on your table? Iv'e never owned a 200g 45-RPM record before.
My player is a Vestax BDT-2500. It has completely variable pitch adjustment, which is pretty nice for old discs, big band stuff I like that sometimes were cut badly, resulting in higher or lower pitch issues.
Mastered by Doug Sax using an all-tube system. Overseen by Bruce Botnick, The Doors producer/engineer.
Two 45 rpm LPs pressed on 200-gram vinyl at Quality Record Pressings/Also on Hybrid Multichannel SACD
Part of The Doors reissue series proudly presented by Analogue Productions and Quality Record Pressings!
The Doors self-titled 1967 release famously contains some incorrect speed and pitch issues. While there have been “corrected” versions made, in the interests of being historically accurate, this Analogue Productions reissue was cut without speed or pitch correction.
Rip Info
The Doors - The Doors
Analogue Productions APP 74007-45 (2012)
Mastered by Doug Sax, Mastering Lab
200G Quality Record Pressings
24-bit / 96kHz Vinyl Rip by Dr. Robert
August 2012
Vinyl condition: New Sealed
Side 1: AAP 74007-45-A TML-M QRP
Side 2: AAP 74007-45-B TML-M QRP
Side 3: AAP 74007-45-C TML-M QRP
Side 4: AAP 74007-45-D TML-M QRP
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i just noticed that hte links doesn't work, but must be available elsewhere
I just purchased Strange Days. It will be my first of these releases. I chose this one before the debut, because it's cut from the masters. The debut is the only album not cut from the masters.
Just curious, how much better can these analogue releases sound? I mean will it be worth $25 a pop if you already have the 2008 vinyl box set?
Please wipe the 2008 Rhino releases from your brains! These AP issues do seriously kill them all dead. There is no comparison between the two. At 45rpm you have a lot longer groove travel and therefore more information per second than a pressing at 33 and 1/3rpm. That together with the analogue sourced material, tube cutting and an expert doing the job gives you one great set of albums.
I see some folks are complaining about the cost. I live in the UK and it has cost me £50 per album factoring in UK Customs, handling and shipping charges. That's the same as $80 per abum! I bought direct from Acoustic Sounds seeing as though most UK retailers are asking £90 each for them. Yeah, I kid you not, that's $144 each!
I'm not complaining because they are better than SACD (obviously) and simply eclipse all other issues. And it's The Doors after all!
I totally agree. Just for comparison sake, I listened to The Soft Parade on AP and then the same album on Rhino LP followed by the 1999 CD remaster. Now, let's be honest for a minute, those CD's sound excellent and improve on the already great 88 CD's by a small margin. As far as I know there have never been any other remasters of the original mixes in Redbook format?
Anyway, I noticed a considerable drop in sound quality from AP to Rhino. Densmore is the winner in these AP issues. The Rhino LP makes the drums sound more distant, less clear and distinctly mushy sounding. It's all very brittle with little warmth and attack. Dropping down to the all digital masters from '99 you then notice how cramped and limited the soundstage gets. Sadly, the CD's sound very harsh and thin compared to even the Rhino LP's. However when compared to the AP Lp's, there is no contest. Even when played back on a very high end CDP, they lack the warmth detail and resolution of a good vinyl. But that good vinyl only really comes with the AP sets. My appreciation for Densmore's work alone has more than tripled since listening to these vinyls. The kick drum can be really felt as well as heard!
steve1234 wrote:I totally agree. Just for comparison sake, I listened to The Soft Parade on AP and then the same album on Rhino LP followed by the 1999 CD remaster. Now, let's be honest for a minute, those CD's sound excellent and improve on the already great 88 CD's by a small margin. As far as I know there have never been any other remasters of the original mixes in Redbook format?
Anyway, I noticed a considerable drop in sound quality from AP to Rhino. Densmore is the winner in these AP issues. The Rhino LP makes the drums sound more distant, less clear and distinctly mushy sounding. It's all very brittle with little warmth and attack. Dropping down to the all digital masters from '99 you then notice how cramped and limited the soundstage gets. Sadly, the CD's sound very harsh and thin compared to even the Rhino LP's. However when compared to the AP Lp's, there is no contest. Even when played back on a very high end CDP, they lack the warmth detail and resolution of a good vinyl. But that good vinyl only really comes with the AP sets. My appreciation for Densmore's work alone has more than tripled since listening to these vinyls. The kick drum can be really felt as well as heard!
Michael Fremer from Analog Planet agrees with you.
"As on the reissue of the first Doors album the absolute star of this reissue, (especially if you’ve spent 45 years with the originals!) is John Densmore. I promise, you’ve never heard the drums like this, but then you’ve never heard the album like this, period. The faux leather clad box set just doesn’t matter anymore." http://www.analogplanet.com/content/mut ... e-45rpm-lp
steve1234 wrote:I totally agree. Just for comparison sake, I listened to The Soft Parade on AP and then the same album on Rhino LP followed by the 1999 CD remaster. Now, let's be honest for a minute, those CD's sound excellent and improve on the already great 88 CD's by a small margin. As far as I know there have never been any other remasters of the original mixes in Redbook format?
Anyway, I noticed a considerable drop in sound quality from AP to Rhino. Densmore is the winner in these AP issues. The Rhino LP makes the drums sound more distant, less clear and distinctly mushy sounding. It's all very brittle with little warmth and attack. Dropping down to the all digital masters from '99 you then notice how cramped and limited the soundstage gets. Sadly, the CD's sound very harsh and thin compared to even the Rhino LP's. However when compared to the AP Lp's, there is no contest. Even when played back on a very high end CDP, they lack the warmth detail and resolution of a good vinyl. But that good vinyl only really comes with the AP sets. My appreciation for Densmore's work alone has more than tripled since listening to these vinyls. The kick drum can be really felt as well as heard!
This description makes my mouth water. I need to get these. My mind is made up.
We didn't mention the quality of the cases. Also unprecedented photo-paper quality versions that "never looked as lively and intact as with these analogue releases." Truly a work of art.
"Because when the crowds finally begin to accept you
you become the suspect of your artistry" Buk
And what about the THICKNESS of those sleeves? Probably the best quality card I have in my collection. The lamination is also excellent. As if that isn't all enough, you have to applaud the quality of the polythene inner bags. At first I thought I had three inner bags accidentally stuck together - they are such nice quality.
The Doors are my favourite band of all time. I also think they are one of the best and most influential bands of all time. They deserve nothing less than the AP vinyl sets.
Whatever your opinion of "Other Voices" and "Full Circle" is, I can't help secretly wishing AP would get the rights to add the final two Doors albums to the set. I know it's not going to happen but it would have been interesting to see what AP could've done with them.
I haven't got the outer box marked "Infinite" as I can't see the point. All these albums were individually released in their day and they are not part of a "box set". That's not to diminish the lovely presentation of the optional box but, come on, 100 bucks! I think it should be discounted for all those of us who have splashed out on the LPs individually. I'd pay $40 but not $100, however smart it might be.
James, obviously it can not be a dumb investment when it sounds much better than the original/first pressing. The latter should go into the archive while the new one onto the turntable!
"Because when the crowds finally begin to accept you
you become the suspect of your artistry" Buk
Listened to my newly arrived AP Strange Days last night, and I was absolutely blown away with it, the packaging and the sound! It's well worth $50 + $7 for shipping that I paid for it. This will definitely be my go to for Strange Days, and I, like many of you, have multiple versions including the Rhino vinyl box set version.
Still hard for me to play anything but my original mono 1967 vinyl DOORS, & Strange Days. It is the way it was meant to be heard. Guess I'm getting old...
Of course they say, the first thing to go is your hearing!
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music".
Still hard for me to play anything but my original mono 1967 vinyl DOORS, & Strange Days. It is the way it was meant to be heard. Guess I'm getting old...
Of course they say, the first thing to go is your hearing!
I'm sure they're wonderful. It's just a matter of finding clean, reasonably priced copies which is nearly impossible, especially for Strange Days. I know you're a vinyl lover. The vinyl lover in you would love these all-tube pressings.
