Singer Bowl - Alternate Source

Post by **MysticHeatedWine** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:24 pm

Since the year is coming to an end, I figured I'd squeeze in one last dumb question. Namely it's this:

From time to time we speculate about possible future releases. Since we know the alternate source of Singer exists and the quality of it is really good why don't the Doors release it as a cd ? Would it be so difficult to do this ? What am I missing ? Logic would dictate they have it.

Post by **Silver Forest** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:29 pm

The question is "The Doors have the whole stuff or just the two songs that ended up in Boot Yer Butt?"
I have the idea that they have only the two songs.
A download release with all the footage stuff from that day would be very very interesting.

Post by **MysticHeatedWine** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:03 pm

Why wouldn't they have the whole show ?

Post by **Silver Forest** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:34 pm

There are members of this forum that can talk properly about this. Of course, if they want to do it.
I'm just trying to recall what I understood at the time Boot Yer Butt was being assembled.
In those days the band had the precious collaboration of those persons, which had deep knowledge on what was available and what were the best sources.
I'm not positive if the band had access to all the stuff or what was the kind of deal they made.

Post by **MysticHeatedWine** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:20 pm

I understand your point. I just find it hard to believe that the band wouldn't have obtained a copy by now. I mean if Robby was given/bought some recordings for Boot Yer Butt (a great release by the way; there should have been a sequel) why wouldn't he buy the whole show or ask for it ? Whatever the case is, that potential release excites me more than London Fog or any other possibility. Jim was on fire that night and did some great poetic improvisations. Just my two cents worth.

Post by **Silver Forest** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:20 pm

I also agree that Singer Bowl would be a nice release. Wild night. The End is very very good.
Boot Yer Butt was a nice release although I'm not convinved the sound treatment was the best one. Some sound experts here might have an educated opinion.
As I said I don't know how were the deals involved. At the time the release came I have the idea that this didn't brought to me any new stuff. Some sources were better but nothing new.
I wonder if a new project would bring some uncirculated tapes to surface... I fear the band has burned too many bridges. Also they seem not interested to release stuff they have. I guess only a soundboard or a superior quality rare audience would make the band to become interested.

The last few years were really bad ones. From what I remember there was only Asbury Park Convention Hall '68.

From the existing ones I would love to listen to better sources for Singer Bowl '68, Hawaii '70 and Dallas '70. Probably my top 3.

Post by **effectfreak** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:39 am

I really just can't understand why they won't buy/release stuff they could. Like in "When you are strange" there was very little new video material compared to how much they must have it...

Your idea of download release sounds fantastic...

Post by **Silver Forest** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:54 am

It's not my idea. I mean the concept it's something that was assumed long time ago by the management to be an interesting way to sell rare stuff that could not fit into conventional physical releases. This because of the intrinsic performance, sound or image quality of the stuff. Also this would avoid heavy investments associated to product development, marketing and shipment. Hell, it was one the basis underlying the Bright Midnight Records by Ray and Danny...
Jeff assumed publically their interest in bringing these downloads to a reality, and this was long time ago. In a certain phase it was even said to be "6-8 weeks away".

Unfortunately it never happened from what I understood because of legal matters.
Singer Bowl stuff would fit perfectly in such a product.

Post by **jdlaw** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:23 am

Silver Forest wrote:There are members of this forum that can talk properly about this. Of course, if they want to do it.
I'm just trying to recall what I understood at the time Boot Yer Butt was being assembled.
In those days the band had the precious collaboration of those persons, which had deep knowledge on what was available and what were the best sources.
I'm not positive if the band had access to all the stuff or what was the kind of deal they made.

I have no insiders info, and my memory certainly isn't the greatest. That said, weren't the people who are in possession of the alternate Singer Bowl going to circulate the recording, UNTIL somebody leaked 'The End' prior to Boot Yer Butt being released? That killed the deal, and the recording has been underground ever since. That's the way I remember it. Somebody please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Post by **Bluecow2** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:15 am

They have this alt recording. RK purchased it years ago from an inside collector.

Yes, they should release it; download, limited CD release?. It's very good!

I meet the taper many years ago to get a copy of The End. He lived nearby from me. He only had The End on his master cassette. The rest of the concert (on another cassette tape) he lent away years before. He never got it back. This inside collector got a copy of the whole concert, which is what RK purchased.

Post by **Silver Forest** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:22 am

Thank you both for the info.
We know that the main target for the Feast of Friends documentary was to document no only some Doors performances but particularly what was surrounding those shows. Singer Bowl was as far as we know the wildest of those shows so probably Paul Ferrara's team filmed quite a lot in that night.
With a nice recording and with that footage they could indeed think about a nice (download) release.

Post by **miltonjumbee** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:05 am

Bluecow2 wrote:They have this alt recording. RK purchased it years ago from an inside collector.

Yes, they should release it; download, limited CD release?. It's very good!

I meet the taper many years ago to get a copy of The End. He lived nearby from me. He only had The End on his master cassette. The rest of the concert (on another cassette tape) he lent away years before. He never got it back. This inside collector got a copy of the whole concert, which is what RK purchased.

Great news ! Thank guys.

Post by **midnightx** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:15 pm

Bluecow2 wrote:They have this alt recording. RK purchased it years ago from an inside collector.

Yes, they should release it; download...

Aren't we about due for another Jampol "the downloads are coming!" announcement?

Post by **The Royal Sperm** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:09 pm

midnightx wrote:
Bluecow2 wrote:They have this alt recording. RK purchased it years ago from an inside collector.

Yes, they should release it; download...
Aren't we about due for another Jampol "the downloads are coming!" announcement?

Remember, nothing is etched on stone

Post by **Roughie** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:13 pm

The Royal Sperm wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Bluecow2 wrote:They have this alt recording. RK purchased it years ago from an inside collector.

Yes, they should release it; download...
Aren't we about due for another Jampol "the downloads are coming!" announcement?
Remember, nothing is etched on stone

He's trying his best and we'll be the first to know!

Post by **Silver Forest** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:08 am

Roughie wrote:
The Royal Sperm wrote:
midnightx wrote: Aren't we about due for another Jampol "the downloads are coming!" announcement?
Remember, nothing is etched on stone
He's trying his best and we'll be the first to know!

Sure, after iTunes, Amazon mp3, etc, etc. Stay tuned!