First off, Vince thanks for your participation in this forum. Your words are the first new and informed writings I have seen in quite some time.
While I know you were involved with the finished product ( the music and related equipment chores etc.) I'M curious if you ever caught a glimpse of any of the rehersal sessions where new material was introduced?
At first I thought perhaps JDM only brought the words and the boys came up with the rest, then I got the impression Jim had a clear undersatnding of how he wished his music to sound.
And if that's not someting you can comment on, tell me how you wound up in a place like Kimpo City and what's life like there?
Peace,
mj
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Were you ever around when they tried out different singers//My memory is faltering as to whether this occurred during the Other Voices era, or during the Sugarman- Ray Manzarek era two-years later , by which time Robby and John were off to Butts Band . Anyway, if anything like this occurred during your tenure in 1971, I am sure that many Doors fans would like the inside scoop.
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Yes - I was in attendance at a number of rehearsal sessions. These were conducted in the downstairs room. My work space was just off this and I was there during rehearsals.
Jim and Robby brought words to the sessions. Jim did often have a tune or theme for the song. Ray would take this raw tune and get it organized and embellished. He ahd Robby often had exchanges over which part each might play at a certain point. They would work together getting the format set and Jim would then begin to sing the lyrics to the now established music line.
If Jim did not have a fixed idea of what he thought the song should be they worked together to get a melody and counterpoint. If jim did not like it, they tailored things to make it work out agreeable to all.
During the intercourse between Ray and Robby, John would be doing his part. John was not often vocal in his participation. He resorted to action as most drummer as wsnt to do. In the end, after a good hour of dedicated work they would have the song about where they wanted it for stange presentation.
In all it was a team effort to generate a completed piece of music that they felt worthy of being recorded. This wonderful experience is attributable to the diverse and proper formal training that they all had.
With jim, his instrument was his voice. It was amazing to hear them practice. It was not loud blaring overpowering sound levels. They always kept things moderate, balanced, blended. It was a particular delight to hear Jim sing in such a small space in a far more relaxed situation.
Remember, when you are listening to recordings of Doors music taken from original tapes. Paul Rothschild, a very gifted man with ears sharply tuned for a hit, would often recommend changes or additions after hearing the initial performance of a piece.
that process was like rehearsal as well but everything was taped. The guys would present the materials they had prepared for the now album. Pual would listen to it all and then make his sugestions for the inclusion or exclusion of the materials presented. They would then work out each piece until such time as pual was satisfied with a particular take and they went to the next one.
Remembering that there were only 4 people in the band on stage and that they did not use a great deal of effects equipment, the live performances are pretty close to the recorded versions. Whiskey Bar is one piece they did infrequently because they could not duplicate the recorded cound and felt that the audience would be disappointed at the lack of interesting instruments and effects.
Kimpo City. It is about 35 Kilometers to the West of Seoul. It is a small city surrounded by rice farms. It is said that the best rice in Korea is grown here. this entire area was, at one time, a flood plain for the Han River that runs through the center of Seoul toward the west.
I got here as a result fo a trip[ to China and I made a stop over to visit a person I met on Chat not long after I returned from China. I went to a couple of recitals here and realized that there were no qualified organ maintenance people in Korea. I stumbled on an organ built by Lindsey from Misouri. It was made up of salvaged parts that had been altered and badly done. The organ was doomed to failure from the day it was built.
I told the church I would repair the organ on a no cure no pay basis. 13 hours and three days later the Pastor told his congregation that God had sent Mr. Treanor to Korea to repair their organ. One thing led to another and, as a result of teh condition of the organ, they had a fund for replacement. The result was the largest church organ in Asia.
Things you take for granted in the states are not available here. Traffice is terrible. The drivers rarely have accidents because everyone drives slowly - about 50 MPH on average. and they are willing to yield to let the crazies through. The greatest violation you can have here it not wearing seat belts. Anything else is OK. I mean anything. But the air is fairly clean, food is fresh and fairly inexpensive. Wages are about 1/2 those in the States. They have a lot of technology but not a lot of the many little practical things that the inventive West uses every day.
Abut all our toold, except for the big machinery and hand power tools (220V) are from the states. They cannot be had here.
People are very polite, bowing at meeting and parting, helpful, even going out of their way to accommodate. The food is not so good unless you like extremely hot peppers. Rare is the meal that doe not fill a room with smoke and fire from eating this red pepper they use in every dish at every meal. They are addicted to it.
It is easy to livehere if you fit in. Of course, in their supreme arrogance, most foreigners live, work and play with their own. There is very little mixing.
The mind set here is interesting and like other Asian counties, would give the West a lesson or two in co-operative living.
Thatks for you question. I hope I have given some insight.
Jim and Robby brought words to the sessions. Jim did often have a tune or theme for the song. Ray would take this raw tune and get it organized and embellished. He ahd Robby often had exchanges over which part each might play at a certain point. They would work together getting the format set and Jim would then begin to sing the lyrics to the now established music line.
If Jim did not have a fixed idea of what he thought the song should be they worked together to get a melody and counterpoint. If jim did not like it, they tailored things to make it work out agreeable to all.
During the intercourse between Ray and Robby, John would be doing his part. John was not often vocal in his participation. He resorted to action as most drummer as wsnt to do. In the end, after a good hour of dedicated work they would have the song about where they wanted it for stange presentation.
In all it was a team effort to generate a completed piece of music that they felt worthy of being recorded. This wonderful experience is attributable to the diverse and proper formal training that they all had.
With jim, his instrument was his voice. It was amazing to hear them practice. It was not loud blaring overpowering sound levels. They always kept things moderate, balanced, blended. It was a particular delight to hear Jim sing in such a small space in a far more relaxed situation.
Remember, when you are listening to recordings of Doors music taken from original tapes. Paul Rothschild, a very gifted man with ears sharply tuned for a hit, would often recommend changes or additions after hearing the initial performance of a piece.
that process was like rehearsal as well but everything was taped. The guys would present the materials they had prepared for the now album. Pual would listen to it all and then make his sugestions for the inclusion or exclusion of the materials presented. They would then work out each piece until such time as pual was satisfied with a particular take and they went to the next one.
Remembering that there were only 4 people in the band on stage and that they did not use a great deal of effects equipment, the live performances are pretty close to the recorded versions. Whiskey Bar is one piece they did infrequently because they could not duplicate the recorded cound and felt that the audience would be disappointed at the lack of interesting instruments and effects.
Kimpo City. It is about 35 Kilometers to the West of Seoul. It is a small city surrounded by rice farms. It is said that the best rice in Korea is grown here. this entire area was, at one time, a flood plain for the Han River that runs through the center of Seoul toward the west.
I got here as a result fo a trip[ to China and I made a stop over to visit a person I met on Chat not long after I returned from China. I went to a couple of recitals here and realized that there were no qualified organ maintenance people in Korea. I stumbled on an organ built by Lindsey from Misouri. It was made up of salvaged parts that had been altered and badly done. The organ was doomed to failure from the day it was built.
I told the church I would repair the organ on a no cure no pay basis. 13 hours and three days later the Pastor told his congregation that God had sent Mr. Treanor to Korea to repair their organ. One thing led to another and, as a result of teh condition of the organ, they had a fund for replacement. The result was the largest church organ in Asia.
Things you take for granted in the states are not available here. Traffice is terrible. The drivers rarely have accidents because everyone drives slowly - about 50 MPH on average. and they are willing to yield to let the crazies through. The greatest violation you can have here it not wearing seat belts. Anything else is OK. I mean anything. But the air is fairly clean, food is fresh and fairly inexpensive. Wages are about 1/2 those in the States. They have a lot of technology but not a lot of the many little practical things that the inventive West uses every day.
Abut all our toold, except for the big machinery and hand power tools (220V) are from the states. They cannot be had here.
People are very polite, bowing at meeting and parting, helpful, even going out of their way to accommodate. The food is not so good unless you like extremely hot peppers. Rare is the meal that doe not fill a room with smoke and fire from eating this red pepper they use in every dish at every meal. They are addicted to it.
It is easy to livehere if you fit in. Of course, in their supreme arrogance, most foreigners live, work and play with their own. There is very little mixing.
The mind set here is interesting and like other Asian counties, would give the West a lesson or two in co-operative living.
Thatks for you question. I hope I have given some insight.
Vince
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